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Post by Tom - Washington on Jul 20, 2015 8:47:29 GMT -5
Can the commish clarify the rules for bidding. Do you need to have the roster and cap space available before you make a bid or is it enough to make the adjustments once you win a bid.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by mustard (Montreal) on Jul 21, 2015 5:11:54 GMT -5
Logically, if you bid, you should meet one of two criteria:
a). the cap space
b). the cap space after getting rid of a roster player in order to place your UFA there.
If you have 6 bids for guys, you should be under the assumption they will all go through. If you can't afford them/won't be able to bring them to your squad then bidding seems completely pointless other than hiking prices.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 11:34:53 GMT -5
To bid one should be required the cap AND roster space at the time of the bid. Not bid and if you win do something
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Post by Norm - Tampa Bay on Jul 21, 2015 11:45:14 GMT -5
Sure your souks be able to do that. No different if you were to sign an fa during regular season. Eg. 3 mil of cap space and player x is 5 mil. You have to drop a player to make room. What's the difference. At the end of the day as long as the player is not over. You should be able to sign the player add long as you clear the room.
That is my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 12:55:25 GMT -5
It is stupid to be able to bid on 5 guys when you have a full roster. If all 5 bids were won on that off chance I doubt said bidder would have 5 guys they wanted to drop. It allows excessive bidding and price hiking. Rules in place to restrict bidding to only use the cap and spots you have keeps prices reasonable
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Post by Tom - Washington on Jul 21, 2015 13:10:23 GMT -5
I started this post because the rules are silent on this. I remember a few years ago, Mike stating that roster space and cap space must be present before making a bid. However, practice for the past few years is that people don't do this. I just want clarification on this so I can govern my actions accordingly. If the rules allow you to go 'bid crazy' then I want to be clear to all.
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Post by Norm - Tampa Bay on Jul 21, 2015 13:21:19 GMT -5
This type of thing should really be settled prior to an fa bidding process.
Perhaps there should be a maximum of allowed bids. I don't know. I know i can house every player i bid on. I can't speak for anyone else.
Perhaps Mike will straighten this out for us.
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Post by Commish on Jul 22, 2015 2:46:47 GMT -5
6.2dIf you sign a guy and you are over the cap, the league managers will remove the last guy(s) you signed in order to make your team legally fitting the salary cap.
at no point should you be over the roster or cap
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Post by starscms (Dallas) on Jul 22, 2015 21:54:56 GMT -5
Sigh. We seem to go through this every year, with people bidding even if they don't have the cap room/roster space. Just drives up the price.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 23:33:51 GMT -5
Exactly it is rediculas each year guys bid like mad knowing they can because it carries no real penalty if they overdo it. Would be more sensible to say if you bid on a guy you must have the spot open and cap spoace. It would stop this price inflating
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Post by Dave - Sens GM on Jul 23, 2015 10:42:15 GMT -5
I understand the rule as the Commish has it written, but I don't really have a problem with a team dropping a player to make room for a free agent signing. That is how it works during the rest of the year, when you pick up a free agent the site asks you who you are going to drop to make room. As long as the free agent acquisition is placed on the team roster without significant delay, I don't see any harm done.
However, I have been thinking about our free agent bidding process (I really should get a life!!, lol). Would any of these options be improvements or be worth further discussion?
1. Any free agent signed to a one-year deal would not be able to be dropped that season, the roster position that player holds is locked for the season (except if the player goes on IR). A less optimal compromise would be that the players full salary would have to stay on the books for the entire season. This would only be in effect for players signed during the free agent bidding process, not for in-season free agent pick-ups. Free agents signed to 2 and 3 year free agent deals would still have the option of being dropped in the last year of their contract without penalty, or prior to the last year with the appropriate penalty (as they do now). Rationalization: if you bid on a player you better be prepared to have him on your team for at least one full season. There is no risk now, if you win a bid you can elect to sign the player for one year and drop him anytime without penalty (this happened at least a dozen times last year, before the season even started).
2. Free agent bids must include salary and term, i.e. 2 yrs at $2M, or 1 yr at $3M. The highest overall value of the contract would win the bid (i.e. 2yrs at $2M would win over 1 yr at $3M). Rationalization: Teams could offer lower salary to players over longer terms, thus reducing the need to escalate the bids as quickly in an attempt to win the deal.
3. Teams get one sealed bid. This is a little onerous to run, but worked in a previous league I was in. Once a free agent is posted, one owner who has decided he/she will not be bidding on the player declares that he/she will moderate the bids. The moderator posts when the bids will close (usually 48 hours later). All interested teams submit a bid by PM to the moderator. High bid wins. If there is a tie for high bid, the moderator PM's each owner with the high bid and asks them for a renewed bid. This is done until there is a clear winner. (We never had a tie in the other league.) Once the winner is decided the moderator posts all of the bids received so the process is transparent. This one requires an active group of owners, which I think we have, so it could work. Rationalization: Teams get one bid so the bids will more accurately reflect the market value of the player.
Any of these 3 ideas could be used alone or in any combination. Just throwing some ideas out there for discussion and I am fully aware that in the end, this is the Commish's decision.
Dave - Sens GM
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Post by Ian - NJ on Jul 23, 2015 13:59:45 GMT -5
I like option 2. I was going to suggest something similar. Add the term element to avoid lots of 1 year bids where people end up getting dropped.
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Post by Norm - Tampa Bay on Jul 23, 2015 14:05:58 GMT -5
Let's all remember that this an Free Agency biding process. Everyone has the same access to all bids. Same as you do during regular season. How is it that a person wanting a player for 3 years should take presidence? Because another guy would want 1 or 2 years. The bidding is fair for all.
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